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Welcome back to Leading in a Climate changed World, where, we return to our interviews from before the coronavirus lockdown.

In this episode, we talk about the climate crisis with Ed Gillespie and discuss striking the right balance between hopefulness and hopelessness, and the best way to avoid overwhelming humanity into doing nothing.

Robin asks about the people and organisations showing the courage that might inspire us at this time, and whether B-Corps and business round-tables are just window dressing or are genuinely inspiring sustainable change.

Ed talks about his travels, and the communities he encountered, including tribes which have scarcely changed their way of life, for the last hundreds of years and reveals a number of initiatives, which might just help us onto the right path.

If you haven't already, do listen to Ed's podcast with Jon Richardson and Mark Stevenson: https://jonandthefuturenauts.podbean.com/

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